Hello, I've read that it is (was) possible to get your character's nutritional stats from weighing scales - e.g. wiki page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nutrition says "Weight scales, such as in hospitals, can provide detailed nutrition info" and in this thread from 2019 https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/0/3145133397127523513/#c1742262144170399424 .

So I found one weighing scale at Cortman Medical in Muldraugh and also at Military Base NW from Rosewood, but I was unable to figure out how these work - where to see the information about nutrients in my character's body.

As 60+ minutes of trying+googling were fruitless for me, I turn my question-mark-filled eyes to you, Steam community. So is it possible to use the scales in current build and if so, how?

Its apparently non-functional according to the page on Tiles/Miscellaneous. Build 34 is also old as ♥♥♥♥

Originally posted by Johan 2.0:

Its apparently non-functional according to the page on Tiles/Miscellaneous. Build 34 is also old as ♥♥♥♥

That's bad news.. If you're 100% sure, than we can update the wiki not to confuse other players. It was not clear to me that that information is obsolete, or relating just to build 34.

Was just going to look into it, but the server I'm normally on seems to have vaporised both itself and its discord so I'll get back to you in a bit.

Originally posted by Johan 2.0:

Was just going to look into it, but the server I'm normally on seems to have vaporised both itself and its discord so I'll get back to you in a bit.

Thank you very much Johan!

Btw. do you know how the game works in energy/nutrition consumption way? With nutritionist trait I know what my intake is in terms of calories, carbs, proteins and lipids, however I have no idea how much I burn/spend per day or hour, how it is related to physical activities etc.
I'd very much like to know that and thought weighing scales would allow me to figure out that when used extensively :)

Scales are completely inert and there is currently no functionality in the debug menu to view or assign nutrition values outside of spawning in cabbages, etc so it looks to be a hinted feature that hasn't been implemented or was incomplete.
There might be a mod out there somewhere, but at the moment we have no option but to go into spaghetti code and read it. Someone did this here which you may or may not find useful.
le reddit post

The only mod I've found that does proteins. Carbs, lipids and ♥♥♥♥ like that are really easy to manage in comparison so you'd barely need a readout for that.

Cool, both the post and the mod looks great to me, thank you Johan very much!

Btw. I didn't know there is a protein "cap" and having more protein in system results in no extra strenght gain. Sounds quite weird to me... But also vanilla game should have different system for passive skills fitness and strenght than levelling up through XPs anyway, as you should be able to lose both of them when inactive. And the higher your level is, the more effort you should put in to keep it up.

E.g. switching movement habit from running to mostly just driving around should result in some loss of fitness, without exercising or jogging enough. But I don't know if this is something devs want to look at :)

I would imagine that people would revolt if there was skill decay on such a hard to improve stat. If you get obese or underweight however, your fitness gets capped to 6 even if it were 10 before (until you regain normal weight where it will revert).

Originally posted by Johan 2.0:

I would imagine that people would revolt if there was skill decay on such a hard to improve stat. If you get obese or underweight however, your fitness gets capped to 6 even if it were 10 before (until you regain normal weight where it will revert).

Maybe.. but also they could be made a little bit easier to progress with...

I'd say it would be good to revamp the system how passive skills work, but it's good at least Fitness is influenced by weight traits... I is interesting though with capping.. bcs when you start under/overweight, losing this trait gives you no skillpoint to fitness. To me the system looks quite clunky for passive skills, same as the weird cap on proteins that you are worse off with too much protein than within some specific range.. that is sounds really weird.

Otherwise I like how the other skills work very much - especially the book multipliers - you read beginner stuff, then you train it faster, read intermediate, train that faster... that is pretty awesome I'd say.

Doing a quick search, there is a whole bunch of irl health articles that say excess protein is stored as fat, however its also commonly noted that to get too much protein intake, you'd be consuming a lot of calories. The devs could have implemented the restriction such that massive weight gain and strength gain bonus would have to be nutritionally managed so that you can't just eat heaps until you get the bonus.
The system clearly just needs tuning I think and theres a mod or two to reflect this sentiment. You can eat an entire box of cereal for 2360 calories and 52 proteins which is enough to get you started.

Whats bonkers at the moment is not really about books because the time it takes to read them seems to be useful and balanced, but the fact that the multiplier works on VHS skilltapes and the ridiculous amount of exp you can get out of them with higher level books ( at multipliers of 3, 5, 8, 12 and 16 respectively).

There's also the minimal display bars mod that works pretty well.

Yeah thats the one but it only does carbs. Its linked within the reddit post I first mentioned so I didn't bother bringing it up. You can eyeball your carb intake without mods - if its within about -1200 to 1200, then you have no weight loss/gain, otherwise its double or single chevron.

Originally posted by Johan 2.0:

Yeah thats the one but it only does carbs. Its linked within the reddit post I first mentioned so I didn't bother bringing it up. You can eyeball your carb intake without mods - if its within about -1200 to 1200, then you have no weight loss/gain, otherwise its double or single chevron.

Minimal display bars shows more than calories though. It's got bars for health, hunger, thirst, endurance, fatigue, temp and calories. You can however hide any of them that you don't want.

Yes, thats all useful information, but from the context of this thread, calories alone is incomplete information and all those other things aren't related. If it also tracked lipids, carbs and proteins I would have already mentioned it but it doesn't have that functionality.

You get clear visual feedback on your hunger, when you're fatigued, when you're thirsty, hot and subtle feedback when you have high or low caloric intake, but no information given on carbs, protein or lipids.

Hmm, thanks guys for your inputs, I am thinking of editing that minimal display bars mod to show nutritional values as carbs proteins and lipids in your system as well... And maybe limit it to show only with nutritionist trait :)